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Poster: Fishead Date: Aug 1, 2005 10:44pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

apparently i aint the only one here who believes your are goin about this the wrong way .you act like tapers are suppose to upload every show they record . and that tapers are there to take care of you . your attitude sucks and if i was a taper you for sure wouldnt get any of my shows. your are very arrogant in your statement about philly tapers. well pal ,like i said before , good luck getting any shows from those stingy tapers from philly .
by the way, ws panic just played on sunday and the show was up by 1:00am monday mornin...i guess it wasnt a stingy taper from philly ...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Aug 1, 2005 10:58pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

you are goin about this the wrong way

No offense Eric, but I agree with this. The best way to change this situation is to track down the recordings off this website and upload them to the collection yourself - whether it be picking up a tapedeck so you can patch at shows or using the mail to trade/B&P them. There are a number of other patrons here who have done a spectacular job doing this. For example, Todd Fleisher has sent us about 150 of the 339 Keller shows in the collection! Does he tape them all? Nope. He just does a great job tracking them down and making sure they get to the collection.

Should you do this, make sure you let the tapers know that you would like to upload the item here and get their position on whether the item should have lossy files (yay or nay).

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Poster: EricR610 Date: Aug 2, 2005 1:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

Hi Brad:

I totally agree with you.... I dont think what I've been saying is contrary to what you posted.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Aug 2, 2005 3:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

I dont think what I've been saying is contrary to what you posted.

Well... the thing that burnt you in this discussion is this comment:

"just seems like the Phila tapers are stingy..."

When we say you are going about this the wrong way, that's what we mean. Making a comment like that on a public discussion board will definitely piss people off, and I think it's safe to say that it did.

I can appreciate that your intentions weren't to do that, but regardless that's what happened. There was a discussion like this on a torrent I saw a few weeks ago and this was the comment that struck home:

"When you are in the WANT position, and the tapers are in the HAVE position, you need to be diplomatic if you want them to SHARE..."

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2005-08-02 10:01:57

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Poster: EricR610 Date: Aug 2, 2005 1:43am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

You miss my point.... I'm not saying that none of the Philly shows are online. Also... here is where I disagree with you that tapers dont have some obligation to share the music. Its an argument and its not to serve particularly me... but people who dont tape a show.

My idea of taping a show is that the taper is getting permission to tape from the band. The band has the ultimate saying as to if this is allowed or not. Some bands see the benefit from allowing taping as it spreads their music and fan base. Taping can keep or even create popularity. But ultimately the band is really giving a gift to the person who tapes. I feel this creates an obligation to circulate that music unless the band says it does not want it to be circulated. By doing this, the taper is giving a gift and an obligation to the collector (i.e. someone like you or me). We now, by getting a gift from the taper (and I do look at it as a gift), have an obligation to continue to circulate the music. One way I do this is by making copies of the shows I have and hand them out to strangers at other shows I attend. I try to spin discs of shows other than the band I'm attending (although I'll include some of that band too)... and this either allows people to hear a band for the first time or reinforces their desire to see that band again. By sharing the music... it increases the band's popularity... and that's a gift back to the band.

This is the circle of sharing the music. I dont see how this logic is necessarily wrong. Each person is greatful to the person who came before them and each person has some obligation to keep the music alive.

As for you finding the String Cheese... that's great... you must be a wiz at the computer. How about posting it for everyone else... and I'll even make a deal with you... I promise not to download it from this site... You seem to be angry with me... and dont want to give out information unless I say I'm sorry. I'm just saying its not about you or me... its about the music... so if it makes you happy... upload the show... and I promise I wont get it from you... but others will.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Aug 2, 2005 2:38am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=16701

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Poster: Resipsa Date: Aug 2, 2005 7:20am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

Just to let you know, I think that Fishead guy is flaming you on bt.etree. I personally dont find Philly tapers to be stingy and have gotten almost all the show's I've gone to in Philly, so I think you are wrong. Then again you shouldn't be flamed on a site you might not know even exists.

- Keith

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Poster: EricR610 Date: Aug 2, 2005 8:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

Thanks... but its a free country... he can do what ever he likes.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Aug 2, 2005 3:44am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

dude , you are livin in a different world than the rest of us . you just dont get it do you.

i am done with you .

you can thank brad for letting you know where to find the cheese show since he gave you the link .
how about trying to be a little more nice and apologize to those stingy tapers !
or i just might be letting those stingy philly tapers know to be on the look out for some dude from philly named eric....

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: Aug 2, 2005 2:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

But ultimately the band is really giving a gift to the person who tapes. I feel this creates an obligation to circulate that music unless the band says it does not want it to be circulated.

I agree, but unless I'm mistaken, there's no time limit on a band's desire to have their music circulated, at least not in any taping policy I've seen. The two-week rule is an arbitrary creation, but the idea behind it isn't: that people do this when they have time. To say - in your own words - that you think Philadelphia gets the shaft, seems to go beyond considering what you get a "gift", and leans more, in my mind, towards making it an obligation.

Putting my taper hat on, there's plenty of reasons why I wouldn't circulate a show - maybe the recording didn't come out. Maybe it sounds awful. Maybe it's incomplete. Maybe the band wanted a copy first before the taper released it, and hasn't gotten back to them yet.

It sounds like you've done what you can in approaching tapers and offering to help them, and it doesn't sound like there's anything else you can do unless you start taping shows yourself. Asking why you're getting the shaft really won't get anything done other than irritate people who know they're behind; in fact I'd venture to say that it will run counter to what you're trying to accomplish.

--Dave

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Poster: EricR610 Date: Aug 2, 2005 6:10am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Is it me... or does Phila get the shaft

Dave:

Totally just points you are making. If you feel that you have made a below par recording, or if you aren't a taper and feel you cant make a just copy of a show you have, then you should hold back on circulating it. But that's not the feedback I've gotten when talking to the few tapers I've approached at shows in Philly.

As for the time period... I totally agree with you... but the show that I've been really looking for was the Keller William's '03 show at the TLA... so we are talking about way more than two weeks.

As for my tone... I also hear what you are saying... but that is taking one sentence out of all that I've written... take from my original post:

"cause this site is great and I appreciate all the effort that others go through to share the music"

and

"it happened with a Keller Williams show back in 03"

All in all... I'm also just one guy... with one opinion... its not like my comments should so outrage people that it would stop them from uploading shows. Such as I'm waiting for Fishead to call in the National Guards and try to have me deported to Cuba or something because I might have come off a little strong with one sentence.

Also... Thanks to Brad for sharing the link with everyone... As promised to Fishead... I wont download it... actually I get my String Cheese from their store cause it supports the band... I'd actually be looking for the Keller and Michael Franti sets.... but I'll wait to see if they get uploaded.

Peace... and Dave... nice reply... very thought out and logical reply to my posts. I appreciate the feedback.

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